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Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009, 18:45

Die vergessene F 16.....




Zitat

In February of 1980, General Dynamics made a proposal for a Fighting Falcon version with a radically-modified wing shape, which was originally proposed for use on supersonic airliners. The project was known as SCAMP (Supersonic Cruise and Maneuvering Program) and later as F-16XL. The delta wing was to be of a cranked-arrow shape, with a total surface of 633 sq. ft. (more than double the area of the standard F-16 wing). The research objectives included exploring innovative wing planform and camber shapes to provide efficient supersonic cruise performance while providing fighter-like transonic and supersonic turn agility. The design was intended to offer low drag at high subsonic or supersonic speeds without compromising low-speed manouvrability.
In March of 1981, the USAF announced that it would be developing a new advanced tactical fighter. General Dynamics entered the F-16XL in the competition, the McDonnell Douglas company submitting an adaptation of the two-seat F-15B Eagle. Because of its increased internal fuel capacity and payload, the F-16XL could carry twice the payload of the F-16 40% further. The increased payload was carried on 27 hardpoints, which were arranged as follows:

16 wing weapons stations (750 lb capacity)
4 semi-submerged AIM-120 stations
2 wingtip stations
1 centerline station
2 wing "heavy / wet" stations
2 chin stations for LANTIRN

F-16XL carrying a full complement of weapons: 2 AIM-9 Sidewinders on the wingtip stations, two underwing 370 gal fuel tanks, 10 Mk.82 (500lbs) General Purpose bombs on underwing stations, 2 Mk.82s on the centerline, and 4 semi-recessed AIM-120 Amraams. Note the aircraft is carrying the maximum amount of underwing stores with fuel-tanks fitted. (Erwin Boone Collection)
However, on each wing, the "heavy / wet" station was at the same Buttline (distance from the center of the Fuselage) as two of the wing weapon stations. This means that you could use either the one " heavy / wet" or two weapon stations but not both at the same time. Furthermore, if the "heavy / wet" station was used for an external fuel, the tank physically blocked one more wing station This meant that with external fuel tanks, the maximum number of weapons on the wings was 10. Two weapons could also be carried on a centerline adaptor. If no underwing fuel tanks wer used, the maximum number of 500 lb class weapons was increased to 16. Although the XL could carry the centerline 300 tank, it was not really an operational loadout since mission range would actually be decreased unless the CL-300 could be dropped when empty.

In February of 1984, the Air Force announced that it had selected the McDonnell Douglas design in preference to the proposed production versions of F-16XL. The McDonnell Douglas proposal was later to enter production as the F-15E Strike Eagle. Had the F-16XL won the competition, production aircraft would have been designated F-16E (single-seat) and F-16F (two-seat). John G. Williams, lead engineer on the XL: "The XL is a marvelous airplane, but was a victim of the USAF wanting to continue to produce the F-15, which is understandable. Sometimes you win these political games, sometimes not. In most ways, the XL was superior to the -15 as a ground attack airplane, but the -15 was good enough."

Following the loss of the contract to MDD, General Dynamics returned both F-16XLs to Fort Worth during the summer of 1985 and placed them in storage. They had made 437 and 361 flights respectively, and although supersonic cruise without afterburner had been an original goal of the F-16XL program, the aircraft did never quite achieve this feat.

General characteristics:
Crew: 2
Length: 54 ft 2 in (16.51 m)
Wingspan: 34 ft 3 in (10.44 m)
Height: 17 ft 7 in (5.36 m)
Wing area: 633 ft2 (58.81 m2)
Empty weight: 22,000 lb (9,980 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 48,000 lb (21,775 kg)
Powerplant: 1× General Electric F110-GE-129 turbofan
Dry thrust: 17,155 lbf (76.3 kN)
Thrust with afterburner: 28,984 lbf (128.9 kN)
Performance:
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0
Range: 2,480 nm (2,850 mi, 4,590 km)
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m)
Rate of climb: 62,000 ft/min (315 m/s)



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Das wäre seinerzeit einFlieger für die Luftwaffe geworden. in vielen Parametern der F 15 weit überlegen........ :thumbsup:

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Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009, 18:57

Ich glaube die XL würde heute noch einen Eurofighter oder der gleichen im Dogfight recht zu schaffen machen :D

Schade wurde die XL nie in Serie gebaut ;(

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Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009, 21:00

Vor allem war der Flieger in den meisten Bereichen der F 15 überlegen......... :yes:

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Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009, 23:08

Vor allem war der Flieger in den meisten Bereichen der F 15 überlegen......... :yes:


Jap, und das nicht nur ein bisschen. Hab damals die Doku dazu gesehen. Aber die AF wollte wohl einfach ein anderes Flugzeug ?(

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Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2009, 13:19

Hochinteressant, vielen Dank Balu! :) Diese Maschine hat mir schon immer sehr gut gefallen, das Video war neu für mich. :tag:

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Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009, 19:31

Aber die AF wollte wohl einfach ein anderes Flugzeug


Jaja die Politik! :sagnix:

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Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009, 19:38

Hi

:thumbsup:
Grüße



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Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009, 19:49

Hi

:thumbsup:


Sag bloß du kanntest den Flieger nicht, Benny?? 8|

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Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009, 20:00

Hi Peter

Zitat

Sag bloß du kanntest den Flieger nicht, Benny??


:lol:

Der war gut. :D
Grüße



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Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009, 20:00

:bier:

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Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009, 08:22

Hätte mich ja auch gewundert, wo der Benny doch ein "Echter F-16 Fummler" ist :D

:bier:
Gruß


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Mittwoch, 25. August 2010, 18:13

Pilot Report über die F 16 XL aus dem Jahr 1983

Zitat


The Revolutionary Evolution of the F-16XL
By F. Clifton Berry, Jr.


Proof is in the Flying


At the Air Force Flight Test Center, I was privileged to fly in the F-16XL with Experimental Test Pilot Jim McKinney of General Dynamics. Jim flew the maiden flight of the F-16XL on July 3, 1982. That was accomplished twenty months after GD, having received Air Force assurance of support, decided to turn their design concepts into a flying aircraft. Also, I was able to discuss with Jim and Harry Hillaker, who is now GD’s Vice President and Deputy Program Director for the F-16XL, the derivative fighter evaluation program the aircraft has been undergoing for more than a year. For that purpose, we joined Lt. Col. Marty Bushnell, USAF, who commands the Combined Test Force (CTF) on the F-16XL evaluation, and Lt. Col. Joe Bill Dryden, USAF, the chief Tactical Air Command member on the CTF.

Under the derivative fighter evaluation program, 240 F-16XL flights were planned to be completed by May 15, 1983, by two aircraft: a single seater and a dual seater. In fact, within the time and funding provided, 369 test flights were accomplished. Colonel Bushnell said that the reliability and maintainability of the F-16XL appear to be the same as that of the operational F-16. These features should support XL sortie rates in service similar to those of the F-16. About thirty-six sorties per month were averaged in the basic test period through May 15. Among other results of the tests was validation of the predicted improved performance of the aircraft. An extended test plan called for an additional seventy-two flights, but more than that will be achieved by year’s end, the CTF people believe.

Our flight was in aircraft 75-0747. It was the third F-16 full-scale development aircraft. Its sister ship is single-seater 75-0749, which was the fifth full-scale development aircraft. First, we discussed characteristics of the aircraft and specific plans for this flight. Jim McKinney explained that we would explore the four corners of the F-16XL’s performance envelope: high altitude/low speed, high altitude/high speed, low altitude/low speed, and low altitude/high speed.

The aircraft was loaded with twelve Mk 82 50-pound general-purpose bombs, four dummy AMRAAM missiles, and two AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles. Internal fuel was 10,200 pounds (full fuel for the prototype is 10,600 pounds). Allowing for fuel consumption for engine start and taxi, gross takeoff weight was 43,500 pounds. Jim estimated the takeoff roll at a bit more than 3,000 feet.

The aft cockpit of the F-16XL test aircraft is configured with the current avionics and sensors that are in production standard F-16C and D aircraft. Should the derivative fighter evaluation result in the F-16XL’s becoming USAF’s dual-role fighter, the avionics suite will be the same as that being developed under the Multi-Stage Improvement Program (MSIP) for the F-16C/D, which will start being delivered, with initial core systems, in 1984.

When fully implemented, MSIP will provide the desired night/under-weather, navigation/weapon-delivery and beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile capabilities. The back seat in the Dual-Role Fighter version would have the controls and displays, including a color-moving map, added to provide the independent or interactive task coordination required to fulfill the dual-role missions. If additional, or future, avionics are needed, the MILSTD-1553 avionics multiplex bus will be able to accommodate virtually anything by a simple reprogramming of its software.

Jim McKinney re-familiarized me with the rear cockpit controls and emergency procedures. Then we put on personal equipment and walked to the aircraft for preflight.

The F-16 design has always impressed me. It looked functional yet appealing, a design already in the classic category. Approaching the F-16XL with an F-16 alongside reinforced the appeal. Just parked on the ramp, the airplane looked efficient, and you wanted to get in and fly to see what it will do. The walk-around inspection reinforced the feeling, and verified features of the XL design discussed earlier.

Of particular interest were the control surfaces on the aft edge of the cranked-arrow wing. The F-16XL does not have a horizontal tail. Thus, the control surfaces for both pitch and roll are on the rear edge of the wing. The inboard surfaces are mainly for pitch control, while the out board surfaces take care of roll control. However, thanks to the automatic flight control system, when performance requires it, all four surfaces can act in either pitch or roll.

The drag chute s another difference noted on the walk-around. Except for the Norwegian configuration, standard F-16s do not have a drag chute. It was installed on the F-16XL for operational advantages. It enables the aircraft to recover at airfields whose runways have been shortened through enemy action, as is the threat in Europe. With the drag chute, the F-16XL can recover on runways shorter than 2,000 feet, and it can attain higher-gross-weight takeoffs for the short, critical field lengths of NATO runways. The drag chute allows aborts on a wet runway under hot day conditions at the maximum gross takeoff weight of 48,000 pounds.

Also on the walk-around, we could see close up how the designers mated external payload to the new wing. The method is called “semi-conformal mounting.” The normal method uses a pylon protruding from the wing, with a bomb rack that contains multiple ejectors, and then the bombs. That approach imposes high drag and weight penalties.

With the F-16XL method, only the ejectors protrude from the wing and the bombs are thus snugged up close. Their arrangement conforms to the wing shape. Also, the wingspan is larger enough to permit staggered placement from centerline outboard, and n line from fore to aft. With one bomb behind the other (in line) the second bomb has half the drag of the first one and the third bomb has half the drag of the second one.

By staggering each row of bombs inboard to outboard, the interference drag is also reduced. Thus, the total drag of this innovative carriage concept is sixty percent lower than the conventional concept. The result is another performance bonus: supersonic flight with a full bomb load. While up to sixteen Mk 82 bombs can be hung from the F-16XL’s big wing, twelve were on 75-0747 for our flight.

Supersonic in Seconds

Takeoff from Edwards AFB’s Runway 22 with maximum power at gross weight of 43,500 pounds was achieved in les than 3,000 feet. Jim eased back the power to climb away from the Edwards traffic pattern and take up a northerly heading for the test airspace assigned to us.

Cleared to climb to 30,000 feet, Jim applied afterburner and back pressure. Our weight was diminished only by the fuel used for takeoff and the brief excursion out of the pattern. We climbed at more than 20,000 feet per minute, leaping from 4,000 to 27,000 feet in sixty-seven seconds. Jim eased the power back while turning into the supersonic corridor and getting cleared by Edwards Control to begin a supersonic run. Jim applied afterburner and the aircraft accelerated smoothly from Mach 0.95 through 1.0 and to 1.2 in seconds. Even with the heavy bomb load aboard, the aircraft went supersonic without a tremble. Handling characteristics at mach 1.2 with the heavy ordnance load were remarkably similar to those of the standard F-16 without bombs.

Jim pulled the throttle back to military power. The aircraft continued to coast supersonically for a long period before the mach meter showed that we were once again subsonic at 0.97.

Next, we maneuvered at slow flight speeds and high angles of attack, demonstrating the F-16XL’s agile handling in that corner of the performance envelope. With airspeed below 150 knots, Jim invited me to try a roll to the left. Pressure on the side-stick controller resulted in a fast roll, with no sensation of lagging because of the heavy payload. Release of pressure stopped the roll immediately. I tended to “ratchet,” and tried to end the roll with opposite pressure. That’s unnecessary with the F-16XL’s system, as Jim demonstrated. I tried it again, more smoothly this time.

We accelerated back to more than 400 knots and I tried more 360° rolls. Once I was accustomed to the correct control stick pressures, the roll rate was fast and the controls crisp. The same feelings were apparent at 500 knots – quick, sure response, with no feeling of carrying the heavy bomb load.

Next, Jim demonstrated the F110 engine’s ability to accelerate from idle to max afterburner by slamming the throttle forward. Engine response was smooth with no coughing or stalling, thanks to General Electric’s advanced electronic engine controls.

Then we descended to low level for penetration at high speed. Jim set up the aircraft at 600 knots indicated airspeed at 100 feet above ground level. The ride quality on a very hot day was smooth. The G-indicator on the head-up display (HUD) showed excursions of less than 0.2 above the below 1.0, but they were undetectable in the body. On similar flights with an F-4 as the chase aircraft, its G excursions were as high as 2.0, making for an uncomfortable ride and heavy concentration on flight controls.

In the loaded configuration, the F-16XL can penetrate at low level at airspeeds fifty-to-ninety knots faster than the basic F-6 when similarly configured. In fact, at every corner of the performance envelope, the aircraft has power in reserve, according to members of the Combined Test Force at Edwards.

Next, we conducted simulated weapons passes on a ground target, using the continuously computed impact point system (CCIP) displayed on the HUD. With this system, even this novice pilot, who has difficulty with a non-computing gun-sight, achieved on-target results. Attack maneuvers resulted in G forces ranging to +7.0. With the heavy bomb load aboard, the F-16XL is cleared for maneuvers up to +7.2 Gs, compared with 5.58 Gs in the F-16A. This demonstrates how the designers were able to increase the aircraft weight while maintaining structural integrity and mission performance.

We returned to Edwards to land on Runway 22. Touchdown speed was 170 knots. When Jim deployed the drag chute, its effect was instantaneous, slowing us to less than eighty knots in less than 1,000 feet.

With the F-16XL, the US Air Force has the option to gain markedly improved range, payload, and survivability performance over current fighters. According to its designers, the F-16XL in production would have a unit flyaway cost of about fifteen to twenty percent more than the F-16C and D.

Quelle ist das AirForce Magazine Ausgabe vom November 1983

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Samstag, 30. Oktober 2010, 14:24

Wenn man die aerodynamischen Vorzüge der Zelle mit den heutigen Errungenschaften in puncto Avionik und Triebwerk kombinieren würde, wäre der Flieger immer noch ein richtig heisser Ofen. leistungsmäßig knapp unter MIG 35 und Efchen, dabei aber recht günstig zu haben, wie ich mir vorstellen könnte.
Mit diesem Triebwerkund mit diesem Radar ( dem Northrop Grumman APG-80) drin, und ne geeigneten ELOKA- Anlage immer noch konkurrenzfähig..... :thumbsup: :yes:

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Samstag, 30. Oktober 2010, 14:32

Was ist eigentlich mit dem Flugzeug gworden? Wurde diese geschrottet oder doch Museum?

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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 14:38

Eines wurde eingelagert, die andere flog zur Forschung bei der NASA.....

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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 16:48

...damaliges Prospektblatt




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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 16:55

Den Flieger hätte ich gerne mit nem Eisernen Kreuz auf der Seite gesehen. Die Karre in der Mitte der 80er eingeführt, immer schön kampfwertgesteigert, da hätte man heute noch einen ernstzunehmenden gegner in der Luft anzubieten.

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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 17:17

In der Draufsicht sieht sie aus wie eine getunte Draken... :D
Ja ja...Saab...ich sehe sie überall!
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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 19:33

In der Draufsicht sieht sie aus wie eine getunte Draken... :D
Ja ja...Saab...ich sehe sie überall!





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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 19:35

Die Testpiloten haben sich ja auch auf der Draken für die Testflüge vorbereitet. :pfeif: ;) :yes: :bier:

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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 19:53

..ob das der Testpilot war................ ?( :P ;)


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Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2011, 19:54

nein, dieser Herr ist eher für Screenshots und exzellente Flugzeugzeichnungen bekannt......... :yes:

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Dienstag, 9. August 2011, 21:43

Wenn man die Vögel reaktivieren würde, mit heutiger Avionik versehen würde, wäre ein fly-off mit den heutigen Mustern mal interessant......

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Dienstag, 9. August 2011, 21:44

nein, dieser Herr ist eher für Screenshots und exzellente Flugzeugzeichnungen bekannt......... :yes:


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Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 18:08

Na gut, er ist in einigen Dingen der F-15 überlegen gewesen... hatte aber nur ein Triebwerk... und wenn das Feierabend macht, warum auch immer ist es mit dem nach Hause humpeln etwas schwierig. Die F-15 hat nicht nur zwei, sondern sie sind auch so gegeneinander eingekapselt, das ein Treffer in einem nicht unbedingt gleich das zweite auch noch lahmlegt. Gut, die XL hat mehr Flügelfläche und segelt eventuell einen Tick besser. Aber im Zweifelsfall möchte ich lieber mit einem Triebwerk nach Hause fliegen als zu versuchen ohne, wenigstens hinter die Frontlinie zu segeln :D

Das war damals eine der Überlegungen und auch heute ist das doch kein schlechtes Argument, oder?
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Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 19:45

Zitat

Gut, die XL hat mehr Flügelfläche und segelt eventuell einen Tick besser


Naja, Zivi Nedivi (IAF) hat seinerzeits seine F15 nach einer Kollision in der Luft mit 1 (!!!) Tragfläche gelandet. :opi: :huch: Er hatte zwar auch ziemlichen "Dusel", aber immerhin. Man darf nicht vergessen, das bei der F15 für ein Großteil des Auftriebs der Rumpf verantwortlich ist (bitte nicht schimpfen, habs so gehört) ! Also, Segeln vom feinsten....
Mfg and many happy landings,

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Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 19:48

Die Geschichte stimmt so - nur hat der gute Mann noch intakte Triebwerke gehabt (zumindest eines), ergo ist das technisch kein Segelflug. :)
Wenn man also Schub hat, dann braucht man nur irgendeine Auftrieb erzeugende Fläche, der Widerstand ist dabei sekundär. Das Verhältnis aus Auftrieb zu Widerstand wird dann bei all engines out wirklich interessant. :yes:
Die F-15 ist nicht der einzige Flieger der sowas kann, die A10 ist zb drauf ausgelegt, mit einem Triebwerk, einer halben fehlenden Fläche und dem halben Leitwerk abgetrennt noch immer zu fliegen. Und das ist schon allein vom Design her so festgelegt, in der Realität würd ich vermuten daß da noch mehr geht.

Weisheit der Aerodynamik: mit genug Schub fliegen auch Schweine ;)

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Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 19:49

Zitat

Die Geschichte stimmt so - nur hat der gute Mann noch intakte Triebwerke gehabt (zumindest eines), ergo ist das technisch kein Segelflug. :)
Wenn man also Schub hat, dann braucht man nur irgendeine Auftrieb erzeugende Fläche, der Widerstand ist dabei sekundär. Das Verhältnis aus Auftrieb zu Widerstand wird dann bei all engines out wirklich interessant. :yes:

Weisheit der Aerodynamik: mit genug Schub fliegen auch Schweine


Das klingt, als würdest du irgendwas mit Technik und Luftfahrt zu tun haben.... oder Schweinezucht...! :P :lol:
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Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 19:54

oder Schweinezucht...! :P :lol:

Nein, Martin ist Veganer... :opi:
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Mittwoch, 10. August 2011, 20:46

Drastisch formuliert, aber in der Royal Air Force als Witz weit verbreitet...

"Gib mir ein Triebwerk, das stark genug ist und ordentlich befestigt, dann fliege ich notfalls auch einen Ziegelstein nach Hause... " 8)

Im Ernst, die F 16XL war sicherlich aerodynamisch wirklich nett, aber nur ein Triebwerk... auch in anderen Staaten gab es solche Entscheidungen. Warum gab es in Russland auf einmal keine Suchoi Su 17, 22 oder MiG 21, 23, 27 mehr? Nicht weil sie grundsätzlich veraltet waren. Nein, Boris Jelzin war genervt, das seine Militärs im Morgen-Rapport laufend den Absturz von Flugzeugen mit nur einem Triebwerk meldeten. Also hat er in seiner berühmten Art verfügt, das alle Jagdflugzeuge/Jagdbomber mit nur einem Triebwerk so schnell wie möglich auszumustern sind... und so geschah´s! Inzwischen dürfte diese Entscheidung von big Boris ettlichen Militärpiloten in Russland das Leben gerettet haben. Inzwischen weis man aber auch seit Georgien, das die heutigen durstigen Flugzeuge im Einsatz teurer sind als zum Beispiel die gute alte Su 17...
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