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Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009, 17:53

Pilot Report Piper PA 42-1000 Cheyenne

Ich habe, wie viele sicher gemerkt haben, meine Liebe zu GA-Turboprops wiederentdeckt.
Deswegen der hier folgende Pilot-Report, den ich euch nicht vorenthalten will, da er die heute noch überragende Leistungsfähigkeit sehr gut verdeutlicht:

Zuerst die technischen Daten:

Zitat

Horsepower: 2X1000 Gross Weight: 12050 lbs
Top Speed: 351 kts Empty Weight: 7856 lbs
Cruise Speed: 334 kts Fuel Capacity: 3819.00 gal
Stall Speed (dirty): kts Range: 1879 nm

Takeoff Landing
Ground Roll: ft Ground Roll ft
Over 50 ft obstacle: 1930 ft Over 50 ft obstacle: 2280 ft

Rate Of Climb: 3242 fpm Rate of Climb (One Engine): 997 fpm
Ceiling: 41000 ft Ceiling (One Engine): 28700 ft



Zitat


Less than 50 Cheyenne 400s were made before production terminated in 1992. I had been invited to fly South Africa's only example, ZS-PHO, a 1985 model. Compared to other business aircraft, the 400LS looks sleek and rakish.
The dominating features are the pair of broad Dowty Rotol propellers (whose diameter is the same as the chassis length of a long wheel base Land Rover). Although the undercarriage legs have been strengthened and lengthened, the props are huge paddle-blades with a ground clearance of a meagre eight inches. Studying the Pilot's manual shows that this is clearly a problem. Apart from the inevitable abrasion these blades will suffer when used on dirt airstrips, the clearance has important implications during ground handling. An STC has reportedly been approved for five bladed scimitar propellers from Hartzell, which apart from improving ground clearance, will increase the maximum speed by a remarkable 60 knots to well over 400 knots! :!: 8|
During the pre-flight walk about it is clear this is a Piper and not a Beechcraft product. PHO's age is beginning to show in the general fit of the panels and particularly on the fibreglass mouldings, which were beginning to craze. The heavily over-engineered solidity of Beech products seems to be lacking, most obviously when looking at the access panels which appear to be loose fitting. When checking the Garretts it is necessary to open a small hatch in each engine to examine the chip and fuel filter sensors. If they have been triggered and won't reset they are no-go items.
To accommodate the additional power of the engines under asymmetric conditions, the vertical tail has been enlarged so that, despite the aeroplane's low slung stance, the tail is higher than a King Air 90's. Handling is enhanced through counter-rotating engines. Access to the cabin is via a gas strut-supported airstair door behind the port wing. Front seat access is not the best due to the narrow cabin cross section and dominating centre pedestal. Once seated, the front office is very comfortable and the panel layout good with the pilot's side containg two EFIS screens. In the centre of the panel is an 18-inch colour radar screen and information on all three tubes can be interchanged should any of them fail. Hidden modestly in the airspeed indicator is a Mach meter!
The start sequence is fully automated. With 24 volts required, the pumps are turned on and the starter button is pressed. At 13% Ng, the engines light off and attention must then be shifted to the EGTs. These are redlines at 820 degrees C and it is necessary to have fingers poised over the fuel cut-off buttons should the temperatures exceed the 820 limit. In general, the only time this limit should be in danger of being exceeded is when the batteries are not fully charged or the aircraft is pointing downwind. Wind blowing straight down the large tailpipe makes it harder for the heat to disperse. The Garretts have sophisticated protection systems built in. Torque limiters protect the engines from injudicious applications of power and there are built in data recorders. These flag hot starts and other out of limits parameters as well as taking vital signs every time you push the button. This helps to maintain the engines on an on-condition basis.
With the post start checks complete, it was apparent the engines produce a high level of residual thrust, even at flight idle as the aeroplane was straining to move forwards. Taxiing is straightforward and with the checks complete we lined up on Lanseria's runway 06. Standard operating procedure is to then power up to 30 percent torque against the brakes. Apparently, any power setting above this will start sliding the tyres. The reason for this maximum 30 percent power setting becomes apparent from reading the last page of the manual under: 'Tips for operators'. The problem is essentially that of propeller clearance. As the power is increased, the nose wheel oleo compresses and clearance decreases.
The aircraft is not the easiest to keep straight on the centre line. However, as speed built up, so lateral stability improved and we were very quickly at rotation speed where a firm rearwards application of the column had the aircraft off the runway and heading up at an amazing rate of climb. At all phases of flight, the cabin noise was less than I remember it being in other turboprops. Piper's advertising blurb claims it is quieter than the business class section of a Boeing 727. The cabin is so well insulated, this claim might be true.
Holding the column with my left hand, I tried a gentle turn and was surprised by the heavy controls.
My first instinct was to check the autopilot wasn't on.
The stiff controls help to make the Cheyenne appear stable in all phases of flight but it was like trying to drive a car with the power steering switched off. Checking longitudal stability, I pushed the nose down initially with one hand and then two. With a 5 degree nose down attitude, I released the column and the nose obediently rose to the horizon and then beyond. It happily went into a 700 feet per minute climb. I didn't wait for the aeroplane to settle back to its cruise attitude, as it seemed the Cheyenne would continue to climb until it went orbital. A steep turn required a firm rearwards input on the column, but once established in the turn, the aircraft felt rock steady. Roll rate was fair.

Being the sophisticated high performance aircraft that it is, the Cheyenne 400 is equipped with a stick shaker and pusher as well as a yaw damper. The flying characteristics at the stall are therefore academic as the stall is defined by the pusher forcing the nose down rather than the airflow breaking away from the wing. Better to see how the aircraft performed in the circuit. Turning for home I made an obvious mistake. I simply put the nose down. In a piston this is fine, it gets you home quickly and keeps the engines warm - but not in the Cheyenne. This is an aircraft that, thanks to its huge abundance of power, operates close to its redline Vmo speed as a matter of routine. Putting the nose down simply sent the airspeed round to the wrong side of the striped barber's pole at an indicated 270 knots indicated. I quickly pulled the power back to just 30 percent and even so we were in danger of exceeding the 250 knot speed limit drawing close to Lanseria.
The gear came out at 170 knots and then I made my second mistake by underestimating the space needed to make the final approach turn. After an inadvertent hammerhead I managed to hit 130 knots before applying full flap.. This brought the speed back to 125 knots or blue line, until crossing the fence at 110 knots. Due to the heavy controls, the aircraft needs to be correctly trimmed and fortunately trim input is minor during the final approach.
Pulling the power all the way back over the threshold, I needn't have worried about the highly loaded wing giving up flying suddenly. I held the nose up and waited for the Cheyenne to settle gently onto the runway. This is an aeroplane that floats thanks to its long low wing and residual thrust. Eventually the wheels touched in an almost level attitude, with the nosewheel following soon after the mains.
It is recommended that once the mains have contact, the nosewheel be lowered immediately and held down to stop the aeroplane from jumping back into the sky.
The Cheyenne 400 loves to fly.
I applied power and lifted the flaps for the go-around. Backpressure on the column gave an easy rotation despite our relatively forward C of G. The aircraft needed no forward input on the column following rotation unlike most T-tailed aircraft. On the crosswind leg, I pulled the power back to avoid busting the 6,000-foot turbine altitude circuit limit. Extending the downwind leg to accommodate slower traffic, I had plenty of time to configure the aircraft for another approach and made a rather better job of the second landing. Once down, the selection of beta mode was enough to slow us down quickly but comfortably without having to use reverse. With the big engines and propellers, reverse thrust has the ability to pile all the passengers up against the crew seats.
Back on the apron, we allowed the engines to idle for a few minutes to stabilise temperatures before holding the props against the beta stops and cutting the fuel supply. I was very impressed with the 400LS and we chatted with the owner for a long time about this impressive aeroplane and its capabilities. The huge power of this Piper has made this not just a hot rod special of limited utility but an aircraft of immense practical use. It is capable of taking as many people as a Citation I a far greater distance at a similar speed. The owner says that on a Lanseria to Luanda leg, the aircraft can carry more payload than a King Air 200. With 2,000lbs of fuel for four hours there is still capacity for another 2,200 lbs of passengers. Typical fuel burn at a high cruise level is 400lbs (60 US gallons) an hour - half that of a comparable Citation. With total useable fuel of 570 gallons, the aircraft can comfortably make Johannesburg to Mauritius non-stop.
Even compared to the original 'bionic budgie', the Boeing 737, the Cheyenne performs well. The Boeing takes about 18 minutes at gross weight to climb to flight level 330, the Cheyenne will climb to flight level 350 in just 16 minutes! In the hands of Chuck Yeager, the Cheyenne 400 holds all the time-to-climb records in its class. A Citation II takes six minutes longer than the Cheyenne to get to flight level 350. This means the 400LS gets to cruise speeds and low fuel burn rates quicker than pure jets and very much cheaper.
In conclusion, while Piper may have lost the race for pre-eminence in the construction of general aviation aircraft, they lost despite having some excellent products, despite the unlikelihood of ever seeing Piper rejoin the big business multi market again.

Kompletter Text und die Bilder gibts hier....

Da hat es sogar die Piaggio Avanti schwer........

Ein herrlicher Flieger!
Upgrades im Stil der Renaissance Commander, da würde ich fast die Cjs stehen lassen....... :pfeif: :yes: :flieger: :winke:

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Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009, 17:57

@Falkenburger:

Wieviel KTAS macht der CJ2 oder 3?? Um die 430, oder?? :hm:

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Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009, 18:05



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Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009, 21:52

Moin Peter! :winke:

@Falkenburger:

Wieviel KTAS macht der CJ2 oder 3?? Um die 430, oder?? :hm:


Ist schon fast ein wenig viel... so etwa 410-420 KTAS beim CJ3. :yes:
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009, 22:03

So um die 410 KTAS hatte ich im Ohr für Level 350, oder so.
Dann passt des ja.
Aber für die 400er Cheyenne oder den Jetprop Commander könnte man doch fast einen CJ stehen lassen, oder...? ;)
Ich stelle mir das lässig vor, auf nem kleinen Platz, wo ein Fliegercafe ist, lässig und mit viel Lärm in der Beta-Power entlang rollen, daß sich alle umdrehen..... :lol: :thumbsup: :bier: :winke:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 02:12





Edith hat die Bilder rausgenommen und schaut mal was die für Bestimmungen haben!
Danke für den Hinweis!

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 07:37

Ganz ehrlich: Ich stelle in den Raum --> Turboprops hören sich zehnmal besser an als Jets! :yes: :thumbsup:
(vor allem beim Rollen!)
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 11:50

Heißes Teil! Wobei mir ne IIXL auch schon reichen würde! :yes:
Aber direktes Einbinden von Bildern von Jetphotos.net? Haben die andere Regulations als Airliners? :huh:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 12:05

Aber direktes Einbinden von Bildern von Jetphotos.net? Haben die andere Regulations als Airliners? :huh:

:bier:


Hallo,

ja würde mich auch mal interessieren!

Gruß
Hans-Jürgen

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 14:20

Auch wenn die Quelle unten dran ist?? :hm:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:02

Heißes Teil! Wobei mir ne IIXL auch schon reichen würde! :yes:
Aber direktes Einbinden von Bildern von Jetphotos.net? Haben die andere Regulations als Airliners? :huh:

:bier:


ja das einbinden von Thumbnails ist sogar explizit als Beispiel aufgeführt :pfeif: :yes: :bier:

...

so sollte es rechtlich unbedenklich sein ..... :rolleyes:

Zitat


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ja so steht es auf der Website ....
Gruß Klaus


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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:04

Danke Klaus.
Da fällt mir doch ein Stein vom Herzen.....:umfall:

:clap:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:23

Gut zu wissen, danke für den Hinweis. :thumbsup:
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:35

@Christian:
Mit den neuen Props geht das Ding fast besser, wie der CJ,oder?? :hm:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:42

@Christian:
Mit den neuen Props geht das Ding fast besser, wie der CJ,oder?? :hm:


Was soll ich dazu jetzt sagen...NATÜRLICH NICHT!!! WIE KANNST DU NUR!? :achtung: :lol: :lol2:

Neeein...also ist schon deutlich besser, als die alten Cheyennes und kommt auch an den CJ heran, zumindest was die Speed angeht, nur den Rest müsste man auch mal vergleichen...Range, Fluel Flow etc.
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:43

Full-Fuel-Range wäre 2000 NM
Ceiling FL 410

Und sonst kenne ich keinen Turboprop mit nem Machmeter...... :pfeif:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:47

Nicht schlecht, der CJ3 hat 1875NM bei FL450...Hut ab!
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Montag, 23. Februar 2009, 17:49

kleine Korrektur, ich finde grade im Netz verschiedene Angaben zwischen 1600 NM und 1800 NM.
Das mit den 2000 NM habe ich von nem Piloten von der Quick Air.
Und ob die 1600-1800 NM mit der full-fuel-payload sind, weiss ich nicht.Ob VFR- oder IFR Reserven????

Ich forsche mal nach.-....

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Montag, 17. August 2009, 23:07

Zitat

Typical fuel burn at a high cruise level is 400lbs (60 US gallons) an hour - half that of a comparable Citation. With total useable fuel of 570 gallons, the aircraft can comfortably make Johannesburg to Mauritius non-stop.


@Christian: Wie schneidet da der 3er CJ im Vergleich dazu ab??

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Dienstag, 18. August 2009, 07:54

In FL450 hat der CJ3 einen Fuelflow von insgesamt 720-800 lbs/h, abhängig vom Gewicht :yes:
Kann es sein, dass die sich vielleicht nur auf ein Triebwerk beziehen :huh:
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Dienstag, 18. August 2009, 19:14

Ich denke für beide Öfen wird das gelten, es ist ja auch die Rede von 2000 lbs für 4 hrs Endurance.........

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Dienstag, 18. August 2009, 22:36

Ganz am Rande:

Wobei sich beim Propeller der Vortriebswirkungsgrad ab ner gewissen Höhe bei weiterem steigen zunehmends verschlechtert...da kommt das Fan- Triebwerk wieder besser zur Geltung. Ich denke auf Flugfläche jenseits der 400 mit ner Prop rumzugondeln...hmmmm, halte ich für unwirtschaftlich.

Hat wohl ordentlich Steigleistung die Piper...die geht mal anständig aufwärts, alter Schwede... :thumbsup:

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Freitag, 13. November 2009, 23:40

Ein herrlicher Anflug auf Telluride

Forenberg.deVideoYouTube


Und dazu mit der 400er......... :love2:

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Samstag, 14. November 2009, 09:12

:punk: Was für ein Anflug, was für eine schöne Gegend :umfall:
Dieses Addon will ich haben :D
Gruß


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Sonntag, 15. November 2009, 14:06

Ich hätte gerne den Flieger an sich, am besten die legen den Flieger bei Piper neu auf, und verbauen das ProLine 21 oder das garmin G1000 oder G 3000 rein, bauen stärkere Öfen und ab geht die Luzi, und man überholt ne Avanti und zeigt denen dabei das Feuerzeug! :yes:

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Sonntag, 15. November 2009, 14:26

Interessant an dem Video ist auch, der Flieger, der an dem Haltepunkt zur 27 steht und auf die Landung wartet!

Vorweg: alles Safe! Nur was mich als Pilot beunruhigen wurde ist die Tatsache, dass der sein Line Up and wait brav macht aber dann gegenüber mit leuchtendem Tannenbaum dort steht. Normalerweise ist in einer solchen Situation die Taxilights und die hellere Fraktion zum Take-Off auf dunkel zu stellen, bis man darf!

Gruß

Boxi

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Donnerstag, 13. Mai 2010, 22:12

Normalerweise ist in einer solchen Situation die Taxilights und die hellere Fraktion zum Take-Off auf dunkel zu stellen, bis man darf!

Normalerweise, aber in diesem Fall hat er mehr als genug Power um nen go around zu machen...Garett sei dank...... :yes:

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Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010, 18:54


"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my ass."Bob Knight

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Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010, 19:41

Sehr interessanter Bericht, eigentlich eine Schande, daß man sowas heute nicht mehr baut...
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Donnerstag, 30. Dezember 2010, 12:06

Die 400er Cheyenne war zum Zeitpunkt ihres Erscheinens halt sehr teuer. Hinzu kommt, daß viele nicht mit den Garretts umgehen konnten, während die PT6 eben narrensicher ist, auch bei den viel zitierten "ham- fisted pilots", wobei man die Pratts auch kaputt bekommt.
Wenn ich jetzt die Piper mit der Avanti verrgleiche, verbraucht die AVanti zwar weniger, aber bei ISA+- Bedingungen hat die 400er eben den Power- Vorteil.
Und im Gegensatz zu den light jets hat man den Riesenvorteil, daß man nachts auf Plätzen rein und rauskommt, wenn diese für Jets zu sind.
Achja, hier wäre doch eine Kandidatin, die fast nach nem Refit schreit:

Knapp 4000 hrs TT, 800 TT hrs SMOH, da die neuen Scimitar-Props von MT dran, ne Garmin Suite rein, und die Zelle nem ausgiebigsten Refit unterziehen, und vielleicht gibt es noch von Garrett irgendeine Modifikation für die Triebwerke, daß die noch ein bißchen mehr Dampf haben, und dann fliegt der Vogel noch mal ein kleines Stückchen weiter....
Hier anzuschauen!
Oder die hier in Australien: KLICK!Quelle für Textauszug und Bilder!

Zitat

astonishing performance; Max Speed 360 kts, Cruise 335 kts, service ceiling
FL410, SE ceiling FL 280, and maximum range of up to 1850NM in ISA conditions.


The 400LS provides jet-like performance at a fraction of a jet´s cost, and it will
outperform most business jets, shaming them in range, short field performance and
carrying capacity.







"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my ass."Bob Knight

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.."
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