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Montag, 2. November 2009, 08:25

Pilot Report Falcon 7x


Zitat

........The sensation of flying the 7X is immediately natural with the airplane responding smoothly, and exactly as I expected, to stick movement. However, once the airplane is heading where I want it to go, I notice the difference because I have always had to trim off the stick force in every other airplane. But not in the 7X. When the flight path indicator on the primary flight display (PFD) is on target, you simple release pressure and the stick centers and the 7X stays on that path. It only takes a couple of minutes to forget about trim, but after a lifetime of flying other airplanes, it comes initially as a pleasant surprise.

For example, on rotation for takeoff you are holding the same stick force against springs when the flight path reaches the target as you were when you started to bring the nose up. In any other airplane if you release back pressure the nose will drop, seeking its trim speed, so you have to hold the stick back until you can trim off the pressure. But the 7X is constantly trimming automatically to maintain a constant flight path.

One of the most impressive displays of the way the DFCS holds flight path is by making huge airspeed changes. In level flight, hands off, I pushed the power and airspeed up to 300 knots indicated and made no flight control inputs while the 7X held a steady flight path. I then brought the power back to flight idle, and as speed limits were reached, extended slats and flaps, again hands off, and the flight path remained constant. The attitude of the airplane changed enormously from nearly level to way nose up, but the DFCS held the flight path.

The 7X allows pilots to think about the mission in a new way. Instead of concentrating on how to make the airplane go where you want it to, you can focus on where you want it to go. The 7X completes the design logic loop and makes ultimate use and sense of the EASy glass cockpit, which displays flight path instead of attitude as primary. You see the flight path on the PFD, you see the flight path command, and you adjust the path to where you want it, and it stays there. Pilot workload is cut to a fraction of what it takes to fly a conventional airplane.


Zitat

The 7X is the first “all new” Falcon since the three-engine Model 50 was developed in the 1970s. The big cabin 900 series and the twin-engine 2000 family are all derivatives of the excellent work done on the 50. Dassault has pioneered the use of computer aided design (CAD) and created the CATIA system that is used in all sorts of product design, including by Dassault’s competitors. Though the company has used computers in the design of all of its airplanes since the Falcon 50, the 7X is the first that is truly a virtual design. Human experts used computers in every phase of the creation to optimize performance of the finished airplane, as well as to minimize weight, streamline manufacturing, and reduce maintenance requirements and complexity. And as final proof that aviation is now a complete and total global enterprise, all original documentation of the 7X was done in English, a big step for the French.

Dassault used what it calls “product life management” teams linked by computers with 400 people working on the design, even though they were spread across seven countries. Major airframe elements are built by half a dozen different companies and are brought together for final assembly at the Dassault facility in Bordeaux. The unfinished “green” airplanes are flown to Little Rock where all paint and interior completion is done. All business jets are at least a little international efforts, but the 7X is truly a global product from initial design to final completion, and support when in service. The 7X was the first business jet to be certified jointly by the FAA and the European authorities.
What didn’t change in design of the 7X were Dassault’s basic assumptions about intercontinental range airplanes, foremost being that they should have three engines. The 7X is undoubtedly the most technologically advanced business jet yet, but the company sticks to its conservative streak when it comes to the number of engines you should have when launching out over a big ocean. While the rest of the industry has moved to an extended twin engine operation (ETOPS) position that allows enormous twin engine airline jets to roam four hours away from a suitable alternate, Dassault and Falcon owners just feel more comfortable with that third engine. And the 7X is so comparatively light, and the design so low in drag, that even with three engines it has the best fuel efficiency in the ultra-long-range business jet class.

Another benefit of the third engine is on takeoff. The rules require that you calculate a takeoff path with the most critical engine failing at decision speed on the runway. So twin engine jets have to meet the takeoff flight path minimums with half the power gone, but with three engines you only lose one third of the power. That means the 7X can use shorter runways, or thinking of it the other way, it needs less total power for the same runway requirement, which is part of the reason for its excellent fuel efficiency.

A center engine has an aerodynamic advantage, too, in that it makes the airflow behave as though the fuselage were longer. The high velocity exhaust of the center engine helps smooth the air flow over the aft part of the fuselage just as though there were a long, tapering tailcone. You can see the impact of this phenomenon by comparing the twin-engine Falcon 2000 with the 900. The 900 cabin is 7 feet longer than the 2000 cabin, but the overall length of the fuselage is the same because Dassault had to extend the tailcone of the 2000 to make up for the missing aerodynamic effects of the center engine exhaust.

Lower fuel burn compared to other airplanes with similar-sized cabins is doubly important these days with the requirement to account for, and pay for, our carbon emissions. When you burn less fuel you save twice -- at the pump, and when picking up the carbon offset bill. Being headquartered in Europe, Dassault was aware of the carbon issue before it become apparent in the United States, but in any case, paying for carbon emissions is now a fact in Europe, and will probably also be a reality in most of the world soon.

The 7X cabin cross section is essentially the same as the Falcon 900 and 2000 family with 6-foot 2-inch finished headroom over a flat floor. Cabin width is just 2 inches short of 8 feet at its widest point. Passengers have been very happy with the space and comfort in the 900 so Dassault stayed with it, but stretched the length out to just over 39 feet, about 7 feet longer than the 900.
There is plenty of space for three separate seating areas, a big forward galley and crew rest area and lava-tory, large passenger lavatory in the rear, and access to the aft baggage compartment in flight. And Dassault has upped the cabin pressurization differential to 10.2 psi so the cabin altitude will be only 6,000 feet when the airplane is at its 51,000-foot ceiling.

One big change to the 7X fuselage is the windshield, which is the first curved windscreen in a large Falcon. All other Falcons have an array of seven flat panels. Visibility from any Falcon cockpit is good, but it’s better in the 7X, and the curved windshields blend more smoothly into the canopy to reduce drag and slipstream noise. And Dassault gave passengers a better view with more and larger windows, so the 7X has 30 percent more window area than a 900.





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Montag, 2. November 2009, 08:25

Zitat

The 7X is the first Falcon without a tiller to control nosewheel steering, so you use the rudder pedals. I found it very easy and natural to maneuver the 7X because the DFCS adjusts nosewheel deflection to suit your speed. At slow taxi speeds you can spin the 7X on the ramp with the pedals commanding 60 degrees of nosewheel deflection. But on takeoff and landing the effect of pedal inputs washes out so you don’t swerve at high speeds. An important feature is that the pedals have a strong centering spring, so when you want to taxi straight just release all foot pressure and the airplane goes straight. Other jets I have flown with pedal steering lack a centering spring, so you have to kind of lock your legs in position to taxi straight ahead without unintentionally moving the pedals.

The 7X has an autothrottle system but you don’t use it for takeoff as in other jets. Instead, you simply move the power levers full forward and the computers set takeoff power. It’s the same for go-around. Once up and climbing you engage the autothrottle with odd little buttons that are somewhat hard to reach on the back of the levers. Then you select the airspeed you want, or as assigned by ATC, or you turn the knob and have the system look up the optimum or required speed from the flight management system. I like the automatic airspeed selection because it observes the airport traffic speed limits, and then the transition speed limits, and finally goes to optimum performance climb. It does the same on descent and arrival, and if the STAR has airspeed limits it will automatically observe those, too.

It was a windy day with gusts to 35 knots when I got to fly the 7X at Istres, a military airfield in the south of France where Dassault has its flight test headquarters. With that much wind blowing from the north over the rugged Mediterranean coast of southern France, there was turbulence. The design of the 7X couldn’t overcome every disturbance, but I have to say the ride was excellent, with no sharp jolts and very little deviation from the present flight path.

At altitude I made steep 2 G turns at high speed, which are possible only by holding the stick over. If you release pressure on the stick in a steep bank the 7X will roll back and hold a constant bank angle of just over 30 degrees, the normal maximum bank angle for maneuvering any jet. But the DFCS gives the pilot the authority to roll the 7X to any angle by holding the stick over. And the roll rate is a brisk 60 degrees per second if you jam the stick hard over. However, during normal maneuvers the initiation of a bank is so smooth you couldn’t feel it if you closed your eyes.
The DFCS does not give pilots the same unlimited authority in pitch because the human could stall the airplane on the low end, or overstress the airframe on the high-speed side. If you pull the stick back to a flight path that there is not enough energy to sustain, the DFCS will yell at you and flash an urgent message on the PFD, but if you insist on pulling back it will automatically deploy the wing slats to keep the ailerons active at low airspeed. If you still persist and the autothrottle is engaged, it will automatically add power. If the autothrottle is not engaged, the DFCS will lower the nose to keep the 7X flying even though you are holding full aft stick. Other jets have stick pushers that grab the yoke out of a pilot’s hand to shove the nose over and prevent a stall. The DFCS accomplishes the same with total smoothness and always keeping the airplane near, but on the safe side, of the stalling angle of attack.

With the stick full aft the 7X has very positive and smooth roll control in any configuration. The DFCS is really helpful in a wind shear encounter because you simply add full power and full aft stick and the system keeps the 7X flying at the maximum safe angle of attack with no risk of a stall.

On the high-speed end the DFCS limits indicated airspeed or Mach to just a hair over the red line by raising the nose no matter how much you push on the stick. The autothrottle does its best to keep the airplane flying within the limits, but raising the nose to keep the 7X right on the limits is the final protection for the airframe. Again, not a new concept -- many Learjet models had stick pullers to prevent an overspeed -- but the DFCS protects the airplane with perfect smoothness and precision.

The 30-knot-plus winds were waiting for my return to the runway, but were blowing within 20 degrees of runway heading, so it was gusts and bumps, not a crosswind that would be the test. Thanks to its very effective leading edge slats and big flaps the 7X has very low Vref approach speeds, around 105 knots at typical weights. With the gusty conditions I maintained about 15 knots above Vref and found that the less I did with the stick, the better the approach was. I pushed over to aim the flight path marker at the touchdown zone and to match the VASI, and then left the stick alone. It is hard at first not to jump in and try to correct for every temporary attitude change made by the gusts and turbulence, but if you set it and watch, the DFCS does a spectacular job on approach.

As the radio altimeter calls out the height above touchdown you reduce power to idle and pull back on the stick to reduce the descent rate. My touchdowns were great on the trailing link gear and the spoilers deployed automatically to keep the wheels on the runway. Unlike other jets where you need to continue pulling back on the yoke, or at least hold back pressure to keep the nosewheel from banging down, the DFCS has a “de-flare” logic so you immediately release backpressure on touchdown and the system automatically and very smoothly lowers the nosewheel.

We pulled an engine back on takeoff and made another approach and landing, but again, the third engine means this was just an “abnormal” procedure, not an emergency as in a twin, so you use the same speeds and flap configurations as with all three turning. The rules require that it must be possible to hold the wings within 5 degrees of level using rudder only after an engine failure in a transport airplane, but the DFCS helps here, too. Even though the pilot only moves the pedals after an engine failure, the DFCS uses aileron and spoiler along with the rudder to hold the wings level so the rudder and fin can be smaller, lighter and create less drag than on a conventional airplane.

With its big cabin, 5,950 nm IFR range and 5,505-foot runway requirement for a max weight takeoff, the 7X is a remarkable airplane. As a pilot it’s easy for me to become absorbed in the technology of just how the 7X delivers so much runway performance, speed, range, comfort and safety, but the people who buy large business jets have also noticed and the airplane is sold out for several years in advance. The first all-new Falcon in many years is truly something special in every respect.


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Montag, 2. November 2009, 09:28

Boah, was für ein Flugzeug! :luxhello:
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Montag, 2. November 2009, 09:47

Vor allen Dingen rennt der Koffer bei MTOW in 18 Minuten auf Level 370! 8|

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Montag, 2. November 2009, 11:58


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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 21:21

Und wenn man sich das Teil so ansieht, kann man auch nur dasitzen und mit glasigen Augen aus dem Mundwinkel sabbern... :shocked:
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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 22:27

Absolut! :P
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 22:28

Bitte keine Bilder, meine Herren.......... :pfeif: ;)

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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 22:32

Mir fällt gerade auf, dass Falcon offensichtlich nicht mehr diese 5-fach geteilte Cockpitscheibe hat...sieht doch gleich viel besser aus :yes: :flieger:
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 22:42

Ist bestimmt auch um einiges leiser, wenn man vorne sitzt......

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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 22:50

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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 22:57

Joa...doch...ist schon wirklich lecker, die Falcon! :thumbsup:

...und nur 6000ft Cabin-Altitude :thumbup:
Gruß, Christian :thumbup:

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Mittwoch, 4. November 2009, 23:01

Yep, da muß man glaube ich keinen Kaugummi mehr kauen......... :yes: ^^

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Freitag, 13. November 2009, 23:58

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Ein bißchen Cockpit.........gell Martin. :lol: ;)

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Samstag, 14. November 2009, 09:06

Da bete ich noch immer dass es eines Tages eine schöne 7X für den FSX geben wird :rolleyes:
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Dienstag, 29. Dezember 2009, 15:28

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Montag, 12. April 2010, 22:49

Vor Allem wenn man den zur Zeit denGebrauchtmarkt beobachtet, so sind die 7Xs kaum zu finden, vielleichtmal eine oder zwei sind im controller drin, im Gegensatz zu den ganzen Globals und Gulfs....
Die Operator scheinen mehr als zufrieden zu sein..... :yes:

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Dienstag, 13. April 2010, 13:11

Für die Homecockpitbauer wär das wohl eher ein dankbarer Flieger, weil die Monitore langsam in die Größenbereiche von handelsüblichen PC-Monitoren kommen... :lol:
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Mittwoch, 14. April 2010, 00:01

Cockpit ist "tres chic" :thumb:

:bier:
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Mittwoch, 14. April 2010, 12:10

Nicht nur das Cockpit, der ganze Flieger.
Da könnte ich fast ne Gulf stehen lassen dafür.......

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Dienstag, 15. Juni 2010, 21:29

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Mal wieder was zum Sabbern....... :lol: :zunge:

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Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010, 15:14

Ein wirklich sehr beeindruckender Flieger :rolleyes:.

Der Flieger wurde übrigens schon für den Flugsimulator von Premier Aircraft Design für FS2004 und FSX umgesetzt. Leider ist die verbaute Technik aber fernab der Realität, weshalb wahrscheinlich nur anspruchslosere Piloten wirklich Gefallen an ihr finden werden :S. Ich hoffe auch, dass der Jet mal in Zukunft von einem anderen Hersteller mit etwas mehr Systemtiefe im Flugsimulator umgesetzt werden wird. An diesen Glascockpits haben sich ja schon einige Entwickler die Zähne ausgebissen...
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Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2010, 07:59

Das Problem bei den ganzen Glascockpits ist, daß die Dinger irre aufwendig sind was die internen Berechnungsabläufe betrifft. Ein verhältnismässig simples Garmin G1000 ist da schon heftig genug, wie die einbrechende Framerate bei der Flight 1 Mustang eindrucksvoll zeigt. Scheinbar ist der Flusi nicht darauf ausgelegt, große Displays zu rendern. Wenn ein Display immer das gleiche anzeigt (wie ein PFD), dann könnte ich mir vorstellen, daß man da schummeln könnte, indem man das in mehrere Gauges zerlegt und man einfach nahtlos nebeneinanderklebt. Aber sobald ein Display sich großflächig ändern kann (MFDs, ECAMs, G1000 NDs etc), wäre man mit dieser Methode schon wieder am Ende. In Sachen Komplexität der Avionik ist die 7X auf Augenhöhe mit dem Gulfstream Planeview Konzept. Und das gibts schon ein Jahrzehnt, ohne daß sich jemals wer getraut hätte zu versuchen, das für einen Normalsterblichen-Flusi umzusetzen. Die Dinger gibts nur als echte Level-D Sims, und selbst von denen gibts nur eine Handvoll auf der Welt...
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Montag, 9. August 2010, 17:53


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Sonntag, 19. September 2010, 15:15

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8| Beeindruckend wie der in die Bremsen latscht: 8|

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Sonntag, 19. September 2010, 15:27

Beim zweiten Video kommt der Minimums-Callout aber recht früh 8|
Oder ist das in Cascais so? Kenn den Anflug nicht, aber er sieht recht steil aus...
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Sonntag, 19. September 2010, 15:34

Auf jeden Fall, könnte man mal ein nasses Handtuch am Hauptfahrwerk aufhängen. Ruckizucki ware das Ding wäre das Ding trocken...... :yes:

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Montag, 4. Oktober 2010, 21:14

Mal ein paar Möglichkeiten des Easy...

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Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010, 07:00

Oh, wusste gar nicht, daß auch die Easy ein EVS hat so wie die Gulfs... 8|
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Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010, 07:48

Erst dieses Jahr zugelassen worden.....-->Klick! :yes:

Es heisst bei Dassault allerdings Enhanced Flight Vision System (EFVS).

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